Horrible Hubpages Experience with Online Marketing Promotion.

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By Appletreedeals

My horrible hubpage efforts using Google adsense articles.

My horrible Hubpages experience in online internet marketing was all my fault, not Hubpages!

When I first discovered Hubpages I approached it with all the wrong motivations. I saw an opportunity to get a free platform to self-publish promo articles that would:

  • be a magnet for Google adwords
  • make me some money with my Google adsense account
  • allow me to promote tons of self-promotion affiliate marketing links
  • make money with online Internet marketing of my own affiliate products

Well I wasn't wrong about being able to do all that, and make money online with Google adsense on hubpages, (to a degree), I was just very wrong about the correct way to do it.

There are so many good How-To hubs on hubpages, why not try a How-Not-to hub?

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Hubpages Community

The Hubpages publishing platform and community

I have become a Hubpages advocate. I think it is an excellent tool for online writers and online Internet marketers. I have discovered that Hubpages is a great publishing platform that has a lot of credibility with Google's search algorithms. Good content articles, (hubs) from hubpages get good Google search exposure.

But like any tool, you get lousy results if you use it wrong.

Another very important part of the hubpages experience is its community of users, called "Hubbers". Once I discovered that my methods for using Hubpages weren't working I went to the Hubpages help forums for answers.

Their response was humbling! Within minutes of posting some of my problems, (in a not-so humble manner), people were responding with honest, encouraging, and helpful critiques and suggestions. I quickly began to "see the error of my ways" and started following their advice. Hopefully it will pay-off. This hub is an effort in that direction anyway.

So let's look at some of my "what-not-to-do's"


No self-promotional links
No self-promotional links

How not to use affiliate marketing links on Hubpages

My first efforts to promote my affiliate links on hubpages was to stuff as many of my own online Internet Marketing links as I could into each hub I wrote:

  • I placed my affiliate text links throughout my hub content multiple times
  • I placed affiliate marketing links to product landing pages wherever I could
  • I included a self-promoting links module, full of my own links, at the end of each hub


As you know, or can guess, I was; wrong, wrong, wrong!

On my first hub, Hubpages placed a warning at the top of the hub edit page saying that I was in danger of being flagged for being overly promotional or that I was placing too many duplicate links, so I edited the links so that I was just below the "danger" level.

By reducing the duplicate links and changing some of the self-promoting links I was able to publish the hub. (but it caught up to me later, read on)

We will follow this thought thread in the next module, but for now let me stay on this links topic and tell you what I have discovered about using promotional links.

  • Do it in moderation that benefits the reader first and you second.

The correct way to look at links in your hubs:

Out-bound links in your hubs should have the primary purpose of benefiting the reader by providing them with more relevant information on your hub topic. Any out-bound links in your content should:

  • provide detailed info to expound on a basic point in your module content
  • provide back-up data to a point you have made
  • provide other sources for further research or information on the topic being discussed
  • provide issue comparisons


If you have a self-promotional link that is appropriate to the content of your module, use it with discretion. And note that your author's score could be penalized later if you use the same linkĀ  repeatedly in multiple hubs.

Otherwise, self-promotional links should be confined to the end of your hub in a sort-of author's Bio.

no self-promotion
no self-promotion

How not to use self-promotional content

My next big mistake was to write content intended to promote my interest instead of providing value to the reader. Landing page type promo content for a product you are affiliated with is not valuable to the reader! My self-promotional content was all about getting the reader to do something or follow links that would benefit me.

In the context of the hub topic, my content was all about promoting things that benefited me:

  • like illustrating only my products and the source for them
  • by making all product references directed to my products only
  • by limiting product discussion to what I had available

Again, wrong, wrong, wrong!

If your hub is product or service related, the content should include all aspects of that product or service, not just the ones that benefit you.

For example: When I wrote about Cat's Meow Village Collector's pieces, I should have included search sources for all available Cat's Meow Village pieces, not just the ones I had available. This cheated the reader by restricting their view of the topic.

When I wrote about Affiliate marketing I should have included a range of outside review sources, not just my own blog reviews.

I'm not saying you can't include any self-interest in your content; it's just that the content should be structured to benefit the reader first and you second. If will pay off in the end because the reader will be more satisfied with your hub efforts, which has the potential of increasing your traffic.

You can see proof of this in a current trend among some of the "Big Name" retailers. You can see commercials where not only do they promote their products and prices, but they are willing to offer you on the spot comparison with their competitor's prices and products. They are confident enough to be willing to stand against the competition on their own merits. Your hub page content should be able to do the same thing.

The content of your hubs should be focused on providing information to the reader.

It can be:

  • How-to's
  • What-is's (LOL, I like that one)
  • Descriptive information, like an essay on geology maybe
  • ton's of other good content categories
  • But affiliate product promo pages are not one of them! Your Hubpage readers can find affiliate links, promos, and landing pages all over the net, and filling their inboxes, they are not here for more of the same on Hubpages.

And it's a losing battle for you. Hubpages as a publishing site is designed to discount these types of efforts, even ban authors that are really bad at it. Google's search algorithms can also sniff out this type of content and will put you way down the index list. If you get on it at all.

Even if you do get a few of these types of hubs up, your Hub success will be short-lived. The cumulative effect will be; low value hubs, little traffic, and a trashed author's score that will "no-follow" all your links, and devalue your Adsense opportunities.


Google Adsense
Google Adsense

How not to get Adsense revenue.

I will fulfill the module title here with some quick bullet points because this isn't intended to be an Adsense primer, but here are the mistakes I made:

  • Don't do any CPC (cost per click) research to determine the approximate value of your hub keywords,
  • Don't write rich-content hubs that provide value to your readers - write to provide value for yourself. (guess that should read perceived value)
  • Don't participate in the Hubpage's community

Here s one thing you can do to guarantee no Adsense revenue: Follow the steps in the first two modules of this hub and get your author's score trashed.

A brief explanation of why the above items trash your Adsense revenue:

  • The value of your Adsense clicks depends on the advertiser cost for the click. Remember you Adsense revenue is a share of what Google gets from the advertiser.
  • Adsense ads are placed on you hub relative to the content and keywords of your hub - lousy hub or low value keywords = lousy Adsense placement
  • Content relative Adsense ads are more likely to be clicked because they are a closer match to readers interest

I searched for Google Adsense hubs and found there were not as many as I would have expected, but for the basic information of how it works check out this hub: Making Money with Google Adsense

Hubpages Community Forums
Hubpages Community Forums

How not to be part of the Hubpages comminity

This is an easy one to illustrate. This is what I did to not be a part of the Hubpages community:

I didn't:

  • Leave comments on any Hubs I visited
  • become any Hubbers fan
  • link to any hubs
  • participate in any forums (I asked questions, but didn't reciprocate with answers)

The results:

  • I didn't get the valuable Hub comments I needed
  • I didn't get any internal traffic
  • I didn't get any fans
  • and worst of all, I thought my Hubs were good! I didn't know what I didn't know!

Bottom line; my Hub scores dropped and my author's score tanked because of the mistakes I was making.

So just follow in my footsteps and you too can be a failing non-member of Hubpages.

Now let me tell you what I have learned about the value of participating in the Hubpages community.

You can't just be a "taker"; you have to also be a "giver"

Remember when I told you I received forum help response within minutes of posting my questions? Well I was impressed! The critiques were "spot-on" and very helpful. And the members answering my questions were nice about it to boot.

So here's what happened to my Hubs and my scores on the same day I started implementing their suggestions, the same day, and began participating in the forums:

  • I followed their advice and even I had to admit my Hubs were better than before
  • I got my first fan the same day I began participating in the forums
  • I even got some fan mail the first day
  • I started getting comments on my Hubs (that was a great leap forward)
  • My Hub scores went up, not a bunch, but a couple points (in 1 day)
  • My author's score has started rising, a little, but it's a start, imagine what a whole week will bring
  • I feel a lot better about myself on Hubpages!

So make your own choice; become part of the Hubpage Community, (to whatever degree suits you), or don't.

As for me... I'm, here to make money, and write content, so it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the road to success. Especially if you are now on the road to failure that I was.

Appletreedeals.com
Appletreedeals.com

About the author

G.A.Anderson, aka Appletreedeals is a long-time ebay seller who reached Power Seller status, and also became an ebay certified Trading Assistant. I scavenged the house for things to sell and pretty soon a common question around the house was... "Dad, did you sell my,,,?"

As my experience grew, I turned it into a legitimate business and Appletreedeals was born. I expanded into other Internet enterprises and gradually entered the affiliate marketing segment of online money-making opportunities. It wasn't long before I started appending my content articles with my byline; G.A. Anderson

Now I'm hooked on content article publishing and Hubpages is my newest home. I hope my efforts are of some value to my readers because I have found that I really enjoy this stuff.

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What do you think? worth the read? leave me a note if you want.

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Dale Mazurek Level 1 Commenter 2 years ago

kudos to you, a couple years ago I to made the same mistakes and it wasnt pretty lol.

Keep up the good work and you will see that HubPages can be fun and one of your best marketing tools.

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jabyrd82 2 years ago

This is a very god hub thanks!!

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bayareagreatthing Level 2 Commenter 2 years ago

Great article. Sometimes the best way to know what to do is to know what not to do- you did that perfectly! Thanks!

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sunforged 2 years ago

great! but I dont see anything wrong with limiting ebay modules to only your products, at least you can ensure they are properly described and delivered quickly!

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Aqua 2 years ago

Very comprehensive hub. I think lots of people make the same mistakes you made. You're setting a great example by being willing to do things "right" here at HP. Glad to have you here!

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Ghost32 Level 8 Commenter 2 years ago

I really like (a) what you have to say in this Hub, (b) the clarity with which you say it, and (c) your willingness to admit your mistakes so concisely, without excuses. You've covered the bases rather well.

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Appletreedeals Hub Author 2 years ago

Wow. Take this seriously... I am overwhelmed by the community response. Thanks to all. It's amazing how easy it is to, as they say, "not see the forest for the trees". At least that's a USA saying.

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rmcrayne Level 4 Commenter 2 years ago

I think I've "played pretty" so far, but still picked up some good tips on easy things I can do.

VMH1151 2 years ago

I am so glad I decided to check out the forums. I am a novice and was looking for some true guidance and information on the how to's of getting started.

Thank you for sharing your how not to's. I feel this information will benefit me in my new venture.

Catch you in the hubs later.

VMH1151

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prasetio30 Level 8 Commenter 2 years ago

nice here from you. thanks for share about hubpages, my lovely site.

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Appletreedeals Hub Author 2 years ago

rmcrayne - thanks for the comment, glad to hear you didn't make "my" mistakes

VMH1151 - great to hear that, that was one of the hub purposes

prasetio30 - thanks for the comment

all - I'll be sure to visit you all in returtn

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emievil 2 years ago

This is a first time I've read a "what-not-to-do" type of hub and it's really great that you shared this hub. I mean there are rules and those are okay. But it's different (and better) when you read about other people's experiences. Not that I'm glad you experienced this but I'm certainly grateful you came out in the open with this one. Thanks Appletreedeals. =)

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Susana S Level 2 Commenter 2 years ago

Great Hub! I made ALL the same mistakes in my first few weeks at Hubpages - I wish I could have read this then. I'm sure it will be really useful to new hubbers. Well done :)

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megs78 2 years ago

Good hub! It was informative and interesting and taken from a new point of view. I like that. Keep writing like that and I'm sure things will be looking up for you in the future!

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Luciendasky 2 years ago

good hub!

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arunjain1989 2 years ago

Very informative hub!!

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gracenotes Level 3 Commenter 2 years ago

Well written and sensible. I'm too new to even have an Adsense account, but I appreciate the thoughts behind this informative article.

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Appletreedeals Hub Author 2 years ago

emievil - Thanks for you comment. I'm glad you felt felt the hub was a benefit

Susana - thanks again for your comment, I too hope it will help new hubbers avoid some of the pitfalls. I suspect I will be referring to this hub in the forums

megs78 - thanks for hte encouragement. I hope you'll keep checking mu hubs. I will be visiting yours.

Luciendasky - Thanks for the comment

you too arunjain1989

gracenotes - As a new hubber I hope this hub was helpful. Another big help, I found, was to do a How-to search on this site for hubs about writing hubs. Some of the experienced hubbers here wrote some great hubs I found very helpful.

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viryabo Level 2 Commenter 2 years ago

All we mostly read about are 'How to do things'. This is my 1st time of reading 'How NOT to do things'and i think its a great hub. Its like learning in reverse. It helps you so much in knowing what not to do, and i assume it will help one learn faster.

This is a great hub, and i hope to read more of the type from you Appletreedeals.

Just bookmarked this hub, and joined your fan club.

Cheers!

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anjalichugh Level 2 Commenter 2 years ago

Like I mentioned in the forum as well this hub is going to help the newbies in a big way. I appreciate your honesty here. Good work.

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Appletreedeals Hub Author 2 years ago

viryabo - thanks for leaving a comment. I am really surprised at the response to this hub. I had a "nagging" feeling it might not be an appropriate way to present my thoughts, but hub comments such as yours make me glad I did.

anjalichugh - I read your forum comments also. Thanks for the generous comment.

ngcpc030761 - as the old saying goes... "amen brother" been there done that too!

Thanks all

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travel_man1971 Level 6 Commenter 2 years ago

As a novice, I think my style of writing is limited to what I've experienced. Your sharing is very informative. Keep up the good work.

Pacal Votan 2 years ago

I saw this hub earlier and didn't read it, but I'm glad that I returned. Thanks for sharing all this so others don't have to learn through their own mistakes.

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Appletreedeals Hub Author 2 years ago

travel_man - thanks for the visit and comment. I think writing from experience is the best kind. Good luck to you.

pacal - I'm glad you returned, and glad you think it can be helpful.

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dave272727 2 years ago

Great Hub!! Thanks for the information as well! I am new to this and trying to make sense of all the "How To" information is a bit overwhelming. I havent been to the forums very often, but I think that I will start doing that today. Thanks again for the great advice here!

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Thamisgith 2 years ago

Thanks for the tips. I am new here so these types of hubs are invaluable for me. Great read also!

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Appletreedeals Hub Author 2 years ago

dave & thamisgith - thanks for your kind comments. I am glad the hub was helpful. Good luck hubbing. Another source is the experienced hubbers in the forums. Look for folks with 500+ posts and a few months time on the site. Peruse their hubs for good ideas

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Roffi Grandiosa 2 years ago

This is a great hub. Thank you so much for motivating!

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Appletreedeals Hub Author 2 years ago

roffi and badcompany - thanks for your comments, glad you liked the hub.

onadate 2 years ago

What a great topic to be an expert on! Hope it was as fun to write it as it was to read it. Everyone starts hubbing right at the same place. Good day!

Just About It 2 years ago

Thanks for writing a great hub for new writers to Hubpages.com to read. Thanks for sharing your mistakes with us so we can learn from them.

JAI

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kartika damon Level 2 Commenter 2 years ago

Excellent hub - I'm a newbie so this was great information - I feel like my hubs are quite well done but would like to see higher scores and am always up for suggestions!

mslady 2 years ago

I sooooo new to this, and soooooo interested in learning more. This was one of the more informative hubs, and also the first hub I'm leaving message on. So thank you!

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Appletreedeals Hub Author 2 years ago

Kartika and mslady - thanks for your kind words, glad you liked the hub.

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tdarby 2 years ago

good info on the hub. Thanks for the tips. I have sure loved Hubpages so far--great source of information and a fantastic place to share your own expertise.

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Appletreedeals Hub Author 2 years ago

thanks tdary, I really like it too now that I see the best way to use it

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steffsings Level 1 Commenter 2 years ago

This is excellent information. As a newbie I was really uncertain about etiquette and the comments/reply to comments - was it expected? Only contribute extraordinary insightful well planned comments? is thank you enough??? This has helped tremendously.

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Appletreedeals Hub Author 2 years ago

yes steffsings, Thank you is more than enough. I'm glad the hub was helpful. Thanks for participating with your comment. I'll be sure to return the favor.

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rhythm ray 2 years ago

As a brand new "hubber" this was the first I have read. Thank you for guiding me in the right direction from the start by sharing the lessons you learned the hard way.

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Appletreedeals Hub Author 2 years ago

Glad it was helpful rhythm ray. thanks for the comment

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joyfulplace 2 years ago

Thanks for sharing this experience. It is certainly useful information for all of us starting out on our hub-experience and could save us a lot of time and energy.

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cameciob Level 2 Commenter 2 years ago

Thank you for the tips. I make the same mistakes as you did but your hub an opportunity for me to learn. I'm having problems with Adsense (it says 'no data available').

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Appletreedeals Hub Author 2 years ago

Joyfulplace and cameciob

Thanks for your comments, glad the hub was useful

I am still surprised by the response to it, but glad it is serving a good service

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mudasir 2 years ago

I liked your style. Thank you for this interesting way to communicate important points.

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Appletreedeals Hub Author 2 years ago

mudasir - Thanks for the comment. Writing is always easier when writing about personal experience

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Tesa Adams 2 years ago

Great info. It will benefit new Hubbers and even some that have been here a bit!

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Appletreedeals Hub Author 2 years ago

Thanks Tesa, Glad you liked it.

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Shayvonharris 2 years ago

Wow, This was a great hub. Very good explanations and providing a step by step guide. I would like a copy.

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Appletreedeals Hub Author 2 years ago

Thanks Shayonharris

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Barb on the Go 2 years ago

Thanks for sharing your experiences. I am new to Hubpages and all of this is very helpful. I have been frustrated because no one leaves a comment on my hubpage. I have left a few on others but I will be more diligent about that myself.

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Appletreedeals Hub Author 2 years ago

Thanks for the visit and comment. Glad the hub was helpful

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creativeone59 Level 4 Commenter 2 years ago

Very well put, your hub is Smokin, thanks a bunch for all the information. have a blessed day. creativeone59

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Appletreedeals Hub Author 2 years ago

Thanks creativeone, glad you liked it

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noponus 2 years ago

thanks....i will try out your method and see if it will work out. but i guess its a good experience and the content is rich. thank you

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Appletreedeals Hub Author 2 years ago

Go ahead Noponus - give it a shot, you'll find readers will be more responsive.

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FamilyAffairs 2 years ago

Great Hub. It's always good to see people helping people through there own mistakes and successes. The world would be a better place if more people would just help there neighbors.

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Larry Ivey 2 years ago

Excellent hub. Easy to read and instructive.

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BradyBones Level 2 Commenter 2 years ago

Thank you for detailing your experiences. I'm still learning the ropes, so every little bit helps. :)

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Appletreedeals Hub Author 2 years ago

Thanks Bradybones, If you have not done it yet, let me recommend the forums and "How-to Hubs", plenty of experienced Hubbers willing to help

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